In the book of Genesis, there is a very interesting scripture that states:
“… the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.” (Genesis 6:2)
This scripture is nestled in with other scriptures that talk about population increase, giants, great wickedness, and culminates with God confessing that He was broken hearted (Genesis 6:6); He was broken-hearted to the point of being sorry He had made mankind (also Genesis 6:6). Here are the scriptures in context:
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (KJV)
What does all this mean? Let’s start by reviewing the early history of man: God created man (Adam) in God’s image and this creation was “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Then, Adam sinned and became a mortal being, separated from God and destined to die. However, God was pleased with one of Adam’s sons, Abel, who was righteous; but, Cain, Adam’s other son, killed Abel. The Bible states that Abel’s works were righteous and Cain’s were evil (1 John 3:12). Then, God raised up Seth as a replacement for Abel (Genesis 4:25), and Seth was righteous like Abel. At this time, there was a separation of those from Cain and those from Seth (Genesis 4:16) until the sons of God (those from Seth) saw that the daughters of men (those from Cain) were fair and took them as wives; this resulted in an irreversible mixing of the righteous and unrighteous lines.
Concerning the giants i.e. Nephilim, there are some who believe that these giants were the result of angels taking the daughters of men as wives, supposing that the sons of God were angels. This notion originated in the book of Enoch which has been accepted as neither the Hebrew Holy Scriptures nor as Christian Bible Canon. Our conclusion is that this human-angel hybridization is contrary to both the scriptures and the genetic data. Here are our reasons:
(1) The scriptures (Genesis 6:4) clearly state that the giants existed before the sons of God took the daughters of men as wives.
. . . there were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men. (Genesis 6:4)
(2) The scriptures are clear that angels don’t marry. The following are the words of Jesus:
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30; Words of Jesus in red)
(3) Humans have souls, i.e. flesh and blood, and angels do not.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)
Adam became a “living soul.” Angels are spirits and do not have flesh and blood. They can dwell in flesh and blood, but they do not have their own flesh and blood.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
(Luc 24:39 – words of Jesus in red)
(4) We have much genetic data that has been collected over the last few decades and it shows that all human DNA can be traced to one woman and one man. Any foreign, non-human DNA would appear and be noticeable. In this case, modern humans would have two origins of Y-chromosome DNA since the fathers of some would be angels and the fathers of other would be human. This is not the case.
(5) Here is another portion of scripture that speaks for itself:
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
The giants most probably had the genetic mutation which causes (gigantism, or acromegaly). Do a search on either of these words and you can read all about it. These early giants were probably the first evidence of genetic mutations and were called “Nephilim” which, in the original Hebrew, has the sense of giant, bully, and tyrant; so, they were large and took advantage of their size being bullies and tyrants, like Goliath.
Conclusion: This is an important part of human history when the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them as wives; it helps us understand who we are and how we got to where we are. Also, the notion that sons of God were angels is, in our opinion, a myth.
Suggested Additional Reading:
Noah’s Wife and the Curse of Canaan
Noah’s Ark a Fresh Look
Where Does Neanderthal fit in the Bible
search topics: Giants in the Bible; Sons of God; Nephilim; and human Biblical history
Just ran across you site. Great teaching… but… I think you are forcing the issue on Genesis 6 to fit your preconceived thoughts. As an example you state that if there could be no angelic corruption because if there were we would find DNA evidence of a second set of Y- chromosomes as evidence. This is refuted quite clearly in scripture. In fact the reason for the flood was to wipe out any remnant of this mutated condition. This is precisely why it had to be Noah who came through the flood. It says “Noah was righteous in his “generations”… yet what we think of as righteousness is not how he was saved from the flood. He was saved the same way we are, the verse before lays it out, “by grace”. So what is this righteousness in his generations? It means he was pure in his bloodlines. His DNA had not been corrupted and as proof his lineage from Adam to Lamech is laid out. Many Rabbis, with or with out the book of enoch, have taught that this “purity” was about his blood line and this was centuries before they could ever have known of DNA. They knew that he had a clean genetic line as well as a clean a spiritual line as was possible. Also note that the line of Seth and Cain do not answer for how “all flesh”, which included the animal kingdom, had become corrupted. I could go on for much, much, more just from the text but for now just take a fresh look yourself. Last thought we use the words of Christ as a crutch to stop ourselves from thinking about things unworldly and Matthew 22 is a perfect example. Jesus is talking about the Purity of the after life and therefore uses the purity of “angels of God in Heaven” as an example. All flesh wasn’t corrupted by the angels of God in Heaven it was corrupted by the third of those that were fallen and whatever percentage of those that actually participated in the carnal corruption have been
already been chained in hell according to Revelation.
Thank you for these comments. Just one comment: it wasn’t just Noah’s DNA that determined the post-flood genetics, it was also the DNA of Noah’s wife and daughters-in-law; the scriptures imply that they were not righteous; but, rather, only Noah found “grace in the eyes of the Lord” and “perfect in his generations.” Therefore, Noah’s grandchildren had much nuclear and mitochondrial DNA that was not from Noah.
We are working on another blog concerning Noah’s wife, considering that she was a “daughter of men.” This explains the situation concerning the curse on Canaan.
Thanks again for the comments. Most agree with you, but we have spent much time on this and are firm in our stance.
It appears you fall into the evolutionists way of discussion when you take something with which you “choose” not to agree and assign it the label of “myth”.
It is one thing to question the book of Enoch, and that is more than fair, but quite another to take a dogmatic stance with an equally valid, and in my opinion, more logical approach to the Nephillim.
It is often said when studying scripture that “when the plain sense makes common sense seek no other sense.” In the case of Genesis 6 a fallen angelic/demonic interpretation makes plain sense.
First: the word for Noah’s perfection, genesis 6:9 in Hebrew is tamiym. This word clearly had bloodline or DNA ramifications. It means complete or whole, unimpaired having integrity. In other words Noah had an unaltered and clean bloodline.
Second: the words for “sons of god” in genesis 6:2 is ben elohiym. Here elohiym means: rulers, judges, divine one, angels, gods (with a little g). Contrast that with daughters of man… bath adam… daughters of man or mankind. The plain sense is something otherworldly and something of this world intermingling.
Third: the Hebrew word for the “wives” these sons of god took is the common ishshah. It means in it’s simplest terms woman or female. and the word for “took” is laqach which means to take, lay hold of or seize. In other words they saw beautiful women and took them in whatever acts they desired. The plain language does not suggest marriage in context and arguably does not even require the verse to mean that the women agreed to the union.
Fourth: The offspring that is produced from these couplings is described not just as giants/nephyl, mighty men/gibbowr but also as men “which were of Old”… here the Hebrew gets very interesting. The word is “owlam” which means of long duration, perpetual…everlasting.
So the verse could quite literally read the angels/demons took women and had children who were giant, mighty and everlasting.
Continuing with the plain sense of the scripture there were two reasons why God had to wipe out that generation. First their blood was intermingled and defiled by the demonic host and this intermingling gave them an “everlasting” physical life. In short Satan had found a way to work around Gods decisions in Eden.
Remember that God set forth his plan that from “the seed of the woman” would come one who would crush the head of the serpent. Further he clearly said the primary reason for mans removal from the Garden was so that they would not eat from the tree of life… why? So that they would not live as eternal beings in their sin nature. He gave them physical death so that they could choose eternal life.
Satan knew all these things. He was present and was even told directly by God of some. So knowing that someone of clean blood would literally be born as God in the flesh what did he do? He set about to corrupt the flesh. No pure line… No Christ. Second while he was corrupting the flesh he countermanded Gods decision in the garden by introducing demonic DNA into the mix which gave this offspring as close an option to and eternal physical life as he could possibly counterfeit.
All of this falls within the plain meaning of the text itself and it seems to me that to push for two lines or tribes of men intermingling is a forced reading at best when reading the entirety of the chapter.
Further, as I stated in my first hasty response, the implication is that these ben Elohim did not just intermingle and pollute the bloodline of mankind but indeed the animal kingdom as well… i.e. Genesis 6:12 says “all flesh” had corrupted its ways. here flesh is basar… human and animal in the Hebrew. And while this “all flesh” problem is equally possible with demonic intervention it has no explanation with Cain and Seth’s lines coming together. Again Satan is defying God’s word in the Garden…Genesis 2:20 and the punishment for bestiality requires the killing of the innocent animal, just as was done with the flood per the law of Leviticus.
As for physical acts from spiritual beings? The bible, as you are well aware is replete with examples. They take on flesh and do all things the flesh can do. They walk, talk, fight, eat, drink and do battle to name a few …. there is no reason to believe they cannot emulate the other normal physical actions of the flesh as well, (the men of Sodom where sure they could) and the fallen/demonic host would without question take great pleasure in defiling the purity of the creation of God whether it be women as in
Genesis 6, men as in Sodom or even animals per Leviticus 20:15-16, so long as it “grieved him in his heart” per Genesis 6:6.
In the Hebrew “atsal el leb” to Cause pain to HIS, GODS, innermost being.
Paul said in Ephesians 6:12: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places].
That fight started before the first Bereshis Elohim Bara of Genesis, continued into the Garden, corrupted all flesh before Genesis 6 and continues on to this day.
To ignore the enemy or to explain him away by other means is the same and he can use either as a weapon in his cause.
I urge you, as a fellow member of the Body of Christ and in the name of the one who Redeemed us with Pure Blood of which you study, to examine again the scripture on this point. Study, with a mind free of preconceived or cemented ideas, using, as you said in an earlier post, the “lense of scripture”. You and your group have taken on a calling and ministry of teaching which has with it great responsibility so study well.
Remember “with the study of Torah there are no experts only perpetual beginners”
Thank you for your site.
Shalom and Ahava
Michael
I totally agree Micheal stand point that the Sons of God mentioned here re Spiritual beings. Job 1:6 also talked about the Sons of God presenting themselves before God and satan was among them.
Satan God’s adversary an unrighteous ruling king who hated job, it could have been nimrod or a successor
Commonsense, men like good looking women, the more beautiful women they had sex with the grater their trained army, men cant have babys by men angels or demons, and on what day of creation were they created or were they with God and the devil in the beginning. Perpetual beginners, even if we lived 10000 years, so true, Shish and you wanna add magic nonsense fables to distort and mislead, forget about impure bloodline, its doctinal leaven you need be concerned with, it molds the whole lump[Torah] and in turn plays tricks on and defiles the pure intention of your mind, The Torah and gospel are worth the time you spend
Michael you say……
It is often said when studying scripture that “when the plain sense makes common sense seek no other sense.” In the case of Genesis 6 a fallen angelic/demonic interpretation makes plain sense. No offence Michael that makes no sense, not scientifically, nor scripture wise, however it makes perfect sense according to the jewish mythology of angel doctrines of the talmud and kabbala, these traditions fully and completely nullify the WORD of God and blaspheme Jesus whom they hate. The true seed of Abraham is Israel and Israel is Jesus. Do we follow tradition of men or do we follow the Way Truth and Life.
Brilliant. So many people ignore it out of fear. Would really like to discuss this, perhaps interview you for vlog.
Peter deals with this text and says what happened/happens to the ‘fallen angels.’ You have a nice spirit about you which is great in these difficult discussions.
It’s just easier to recognize people that either are or aren’t acting righteous according to Torah standards (which leads to Yeshua). I’m not into going around to count 6 fingers/toes in an effort to determine hybrid seed.
Shalom…
IIPeter 2:4-10 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell1 and committed them to chains2 of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;3 7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,4 and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge5 in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.
excllent response
Forget DNA nor dispute genealogies, angels can’t co-habit with man and the hebrews were a mixed mob by the time they were enslaved in Egypt, by the time of David a Canaanite prostitute was introduced to the “pure bloodline”. Did God cohabitate with these angel demons and devils from the beginning?, Where in scripture and when were they created?. Where is the scriptural or scientific evidence for such interpretations?
We don’t believe that the prostitute was a angel demon or devil; she was a daughter of Adam. She had made some mistakes, but she did Israel a good deed. We are all the same: some good attributes and some bad; that is human. That is why we are justified only by faith; our works are both good and bad, and faith is the only substance that matters (Hebrews 11:6).
I never suggested she was a non existent angel, I am suggesting Israel was a mixed mob, impure DNA by your standards, I am suggesting she was in Christs genealogy, I am suggesting she was a Canaanite. Sorry maybe angels exist, are they omnipresent or created?
All jewish magic fables and fantasy books such as their oral law that overides scripture the traditions that nullify truth the talgum that hates blasphemes Jesus and accuses the virgin of harletry while permitting even encouraging ilicit sex with men and children put it aside, like the tower like sodom man corrupted himself, Noah was found righteous, so he and family were saved. Sons of God the enemy of God his adversary yep we are satan the adversary and they were kings evil stewards with harems and they raised armies of warriors, kingdoms arose and giants bullys religious govs or tribes opressed and warred, people suffered were enslaved, physically and sexually and led astray as in the days of the tower, sodom and today, today like always there are giants, our leaders our appointed ones, the sons of god as in Rcc Islam zion governments, they oppress enslave burn behead tax deprive and starve nations, not to mention they murder the prophets and oppress the righteous, who needs mystical angels demons n literal dragons and serpents to blame, man of his own accord and choice is a lying murdering devil, 666 is a man the beast is men we are EVIL, is it so hard to grasp
No spooky spirits no mutation just evil tyrants like today, they lived longer and practised their wickedness into an evil art, no sex with non existant ghosts, impossible just as their beastiality did not create halfmen animals, they didn’t have sex with gods and create god men like thor herculies etc, they did in fairy tales, do you consider the bible fairytail, the three Angels of the lord throughout scripture are God, the Angel Messenger of God the LORD, besides which day did he create these angels and on what day did he create his opposing God the devil, or was he in the beginning with god. Did God create everything in 6 days then rest, oh but the jewish fables fill in the gaps and tell us different, they wouldn’t lie or decive, Jesus highly commended the jewish authorities n teachers. Forget about bloodlines shish, we all human one flesh, rahab a caanite hoar is the grandmother of Jesus and would you agree, he came out perfect and undefiled nor was David disqualified and God was happy with the outcome
Whats with all this DNA purity of bloodline, your bloodline is PURE if you by faith believe, as did our father Abraham. That’s sacred scripture; Angelology and demonology is not sacred nor of God, who ever preached it, Noah, Abraham, judges, prophets, David, Jesus? Where is this teaching to be found?
If you would like to be deeplier blessed by such fantastic fantasy I suggest you read the Oral tradition, Kabbal Tyalgum Koran and other rejected jewish works, according to bible Jesus and Abraham faith, not dna pure bloodlines, where on earth do you come up with such nonsense, the teaching is biblically non existent, evolution is a teaching of stiffnecked hard hearted jewish rejecters of Israel
The bible makes NO mention of creating a devil demons or angelic beings. NOAH’S dna was pure, Abrahams dna pure? no they were sinners to. both men messed up as did David, DNA??? Abraham was RIGHTEOUS by faith, he understood God’s teaching of the seed promised in Genesis. He trusted God, he believed in the Resurrection and knew God would raise Isaac, but God had a substitute lamb, the baptist saw and recognized the LAMB OF GOD. We all sinner, some repent, others oppose and hate the righteous by faith
I agree with you. Human DNA became corrupt beyond man’s ability to repent. It took God to intervene. Thanks for your thoughtful rebuttal.
I totally agree with your comments and I appreciate your correction of what I believe is flawed thinking. I also appreciate Genesis and Genetics thoughts, but on this scripture, I think they truly “missed the boat”.
You are correct! This blog takes a great deal of scripture out of context…to fit the force fed “narrative”. They obviously haven’t read scrolls that were REMOVED from the totality of the Word. People believe whatever others tell them.
If what you say is true then where did the giants in Canaan come from that the spies talked about?
I believe that angels do have sex with human spiritualy and they come inbetween relationships mostly fair or copper colored ladies they are the one’s that flirt though married jump into any flashy cars they see and at the end they bore notirious children whom sometimes frustrate there would be father they act suoer naturaly they word giant do not necesarily mean an over sized human but a very extraodinary person like sadam hussain, idi amin , Adulf Hitler TB Joshua etc these men and others do so much good and bad extreamly they are sons of women but not sons of men there is a relationship that is possible with a woman and a spirit maybe angel etc just like that of Christ God had a relationship with mary even though she was a virgin yet she concieved etc
Angels 4 men to have sex with don’t and never did exist, God didin’t bed Mary and concieve and true giants in stature never existed, they are just who you said
Not true. Remains of giant humans have been found. Watch Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. Understand the narrator is not Christian nor espousing Christianity, but what he posits, imo, strongly supports the biblical narrative. One of the episodes deals with giant remains. I conclude that at least that part of the scripture is most likely literal.
How do you come up with a skin color for adulterous women jumping in flashy cars? Fair skin and copper colored skin? What race are you talking about?
I am deeply blessed withy your revelations, they are really enlightening in a big way.
I am a minister of the gospel in Africa and would like to continue to receive this teachings.
Kindly
Samson
If you would like to be deeplier blessed but such fantastic fantasy I suggest you read the Oral tradition, Kabbal Tyalgum Koran and other jewish works
I also agree with Michaels view point, studying the scriptures also implies having a form of communication with the holy spirit to give you a clearer view of God’s divine wisdom ( 1 Corinthians 2:5). I had a revelation inline with Michael’s point of view but never had a better understanding, so I kept on searching but Michael just confirmed it with proof.We all are students under the supervision of the holy spirit (James 1:5) through our blessed saviour Jesus Christ. I want to also thank and appreciate you for the knowledge you are impacting on us the young believers.
Emmanuel
Jesus never taught this garbage, its jewish tradition and it nullifies the WORD of God whom they hate, we are of the jews that love and accepted Messiah, if angels had sex with men he is a liar, can you tell me which day these spirits were created, or are they like the devil, they were from the beginning in opposition to God, an equally powerful God, or is he dualistic, Abraham God is ONE. Your revelation is deep, the understanding is mind boggling
I find myself in full agreement with Michael on the sons of God.
There are just too many contrivances required for the ‘Sethite’ view.
Chuck Missler pointed out many of these contrivances in his answer to the question “Mischievous Angels or Sethites”? Found here:
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/
Other than that, great thought provoking site, Thank you.
Glad you made this post. It is strange in 1 sense but not strange in another that so many refer to the Book of Enoch and other Jewish influences rather than just stick to the Word.
Your article used Hermeneutics by using ‘Comparing scripture with scripture’ to dismiss the Myth that the Nephilim were hybrid Giants.
If I may add that another Hermeneutic is Context. Context is King and Genesis chapters 4 & 5 give us a Major Contrast of 2 bloodlines. The 1st contrast was Cain & Able but here we see Cain & Seth. It was only the bloodline of Seth that ‘called on the Name of God’. This term is used throughout the Bible for those who have Faith.
Also, the sons of God in Job 1 & 2 are Faithful men who presented themselves with Sacrifices to please the Lord just as Job was described as doing. ‘Presented themselves’ is a term used of Faithful men throughout the OT.
Lastly the Context in Genesis 6 is 100% the Wrath of God on Wicked men, nothing about angels or fallen angels. This is the Elephant in the Room that seems to be ignored.
Well said.
This does not support the heights of these giants. Too tall for simple human conception only. The protectors or watchers was punished for doing what they did. Not only that, said spirits can take any shape or form they wish to take. This is often done to deceive. After the Flood God made this not possible to do again until later times. The spirit of these beings also roam the planet tormenting people.
Job is the only human to be caught up to heaven without dying first.
Enoch and Elijah were the only two to enter heaven without dying not Job
Shalom. Everything I have read on your site so far, is correct, except this. The ancient Jewish and Christian leaders were unanimous in their view of the nephilim. The idea of the sons of Seth marrying the daughters of Cain, and for some reason this produced giants, is a modern concept. It is also illogical. The reality is that there was no such thing as the rightous line of Seth, and the wicked line of Cain. All flesh was corrupted before the flood. This included all the descendants of Seth, except Noah and his family.
Look here at these sources:
Athenagoras:
Some, free agents [angels], you will observe, such as they were created by God, continued in those things for which God had made and over which He had ordained them; but some outraged both the constitution of their nature and the government entrusted to them: namely, this ruler of matter and its various forms, and others of those who were placed about this first firmament (you know that we say nothing without witnesses, but state the things which have been declared by the prophets); these fell into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh, and he became negligent and wicked in the management of the things entrusted to him. Of these lovers of virgins, therefore, were begotten those who are called giants.788 And if something has been said by the poets, too, about the giants, be not surprised at this: worldly wisdom and divine differ as much from each other as truth and plausibility: the one is of heaven and the other of earth; and indeed, according to the prince of matter,— “We know we oft speak lies that look like truths.” http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.v.ii.xxiv.html
Clementine:
“But from their unhallowed intercourse spurious men sprang, much greater in stature than ordinary men, whom they afterwards called giants; not those dragon-footed giants who waged war against God, as those blasphemous myths of the Greeks do sing, but wild in manners, and greater than men in size, inasmuch as they were sprung of angels; yet less than angels, as they were born of women. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iv.xi.xv.html
Philo:
Therefore he [God] utters no fable whatever respecting the giants; but he wishes to set this fact before your eyes, that some men are born of the earth, and some are born of heaven, and some are born of God http://www.ccel.org/ccel/philo/works.xi.xiii.html
Josephus:
For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.v.ii.xxiv.html
Commodianus:
Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them [angels]; and from their seed giants are said to have been born. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.v.ii.iv.html
These will suffice for now. You erronously stated that these early Jewish and Christian leaders got this idea from Enoch. Please admit your error.
As for the source of the nephilim, I am of the opinion they were made using genetic manipulation. The fallen angels, unable to have biological offspring, edited the genes of man to create the nephilim. The nephilim were not human. They were chimeras (kilayim in Hebrew). This is why they had to be destroyed in the flood. The fallen angels also changed the dna of animals. These genetically modified animals were not welcome on the ark. Only the pure animals, and pure humans, went on to repopulate the Earth. The fallen angels began producing nephilim again in the days of Joshua and David. This is why those tribes had to be exterminated and their cities burned with fire. And today, once again, genetic modification is happening. Just as prophesied. The nephilim will return.
Christopher,
An overwhelming number of people agree with you, but I cannot accept it. The early writers, including whoever wrote Enoch, bought into the angel/human mix. But to us, Genesis and Genetics, both the scriptures and the DNA are clear. But I respect your ideas and your freedom of reason, thought, and speech. It is wonderful to live in a country where we can express our ideas freely. The is what is important. Someday we Christians will be gathered together with our Lord, and He will give us the truth. It will be a wonderful time. We may all laugh at how wrong we were about so much.
May god richly bless you,
James
Your statement “whoever wrote Enoch” is troubling and at odds with the claim that “Genesis and Genetics are clear.” Are you saying that Genesis 5:22 and 24 are irrelevant to the Genetics narrative? If Enoch, a man that walked with God (YHWH) is not pertinent, then why is the rest of Genesis? How can you know who wrote Enoch without readying Enoch?
Is your research methodology limited to Genesis as the name implies? If so, I can’t foresee reliable conclusions. The charts in Ham/Shem/Japheth chromosomes could be helpful in tracking the lost tribes, but it, too, needs to correlate with Jubilees. However, if the “Hidden Books” (Apocrypha) are not considered in your research, then it’s all moot. It should be interesting to you, however, that the Deep Sea Scrolls’ findings uncovered both Genesis and Jubilees in the same vase inferring they go together. Actually, we cannot truly understand Genesis without Jubilees; and probably why it is called the “Little Genesis.”
I just found your site and found it very interesting; but unfortunately, I’ve already run into this discrepancy. If your DNA research parallels scripture as you say it does, then you shouldn’t need to cherry-pick scripture to fit your findings. I’ve added you to my library, as much of your info is intriguing and useful. Thank you for your hard work.
Dear Debora,
The Jews are caretakers to all scriptures. What an honor. I believe that they are faithful and true with the scripture. If Jesus read from the scriptures in the temple, He peer reviewed each one as He read them. So, did he review the book of Enoch. I don’t think so. Jesus did not review the New Testament, but He gave us the Holy Spirit to do it for us.
I do believe the Masoretic texts. There is a long story for this.
So, for me I believe the Holy Scriptures and I thrust the Jews to keep the them pure.
Admin
Christopher, every one of your sources is Gnostic. Not one is inspired scripture.
Thanks for the article. I think any endeavour which supports the biblical narrative is worthwhile, especially if it flies in the face of idiotic secular science.
I REALLY would like to believe this narrative over the fallen angel narrative. And I don’t dismiss it. But I have two issues.
First, the idea that there should be a second Y dna if the fallen angel narrative is correct is not exactly true. It presupposes that God did not wipe it out via the flood.
Second, how we get to an antediluvean world, populated likely by billions, is so completely evil and corrupt just because Seth and Cain lines intermarry is a stretch for me. Even in our modern Godless world, so far removed from Creation, our world has not, yet, devolved to that. The notion of direct demonic influence and breeding makes that notion more plausible to me.
Dear Brad,
If the Y chromosome given to post modern men had all been given the angelic (not that it exists) demigod flavor. We would be in quiet a mess. Jesus would have to change his Human code for a bad demigod creature.
Not for me, I like humanity is different that any other entity. It is pure from God. If the one of first mutation was that of giantisms, it is still under the human umbrella.Our DNA code is bake from the hands of God.
If we are like angels, we cannot accept the term Children of God.
Humanity has much more power to corrupt the image and purpose of God than to allow angels to take us.
Admin,
Also, when one considers all the polytheistic religions, whether Greek, Roman, Aztec, Mayan, Norse, they ALL have accounts of ‘gods’ cavorting with mortal women creating ‘men of reknown’..sound familiar? Know what else all those religions have in common, including with ancient Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian…an account of an apocalyptic flood which wipes out everything. As I noted above, watch Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix…understanding it is not a Christian viewpoint…it discusses all of this with existing evidence and ideas that, imo, support the biblical narrative.
And where would all those religions, arising after the flood, get these notions of gods mating with mortal women creating demigods? From preflood history, almost certainly recounted from first hand and eyewitness experience…Noah.
Not saying it’s correct. But both theories discussed here are certainly compelling enough, in the absence of biblical surety, for people to have dismissive attitudes to either viewpoint out of hand.
Dear Brad
Please take a look at the following. How many men/women found favor with God, just one, Adam.
Next, before the flood, many were not so hot on God, They didn’t like what happened to Cain, what happened to Adam and Eve, so they tried to make Gods.
Then, after the flood, Many got off the Ark and didn’t like the fact that God cut off all their friends and relatives. As far a Summeritan values, they all had a God based on what they could do for the man. They probably would like to construct their own God. How long did it take in the wilderness to construct a God that only heard your will but couldn’t give an opinion.
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Like I said, I really appreciate the workmyou are doing in support of the biblical narrative, and thanks for sharing your work.
Not sure what you mean by ‘many got off the ark’, as only 8 people exited the ark.
Your research is compelling and is certainly the more (humanly) rational notion. But not everything about the biblical account is humanly rational. The fact that early Christians and the Jewish rabbinicals accepted that ‘sons of God’, B’nai Elohim in Hebrew, referred to, as it always does, angelic beings is very difficult to dismiss. I see some have commented this is nothing more than Jewish mythology….but the Jewish oral history is powerful, and dismissing it outright is perhaps semetical bias. The idea of line of Seth vs line of Cain comes much later, likely as an attempt to ‘rationalize’ the Hebrew text. As I inderstand, there is ZERO biblical basis in the notions of Seths godly line vs Cains ungodly line. So to accept an unsupported theory over the Jewish oral history and the notions of the early rabbinical scholars is dubious.
Lastly, perhaps the reason for no extra Y chromosomes is disrobed angelic DNA does not leave a marker…this situation, IF true, is supernatural, and therefore not subject to the avails of human reason.
Brad,
According to the jewish history, the Bible is fine, but the jewish tradition is not good. Look at the words of Jesus.
In your case the sons of God were angels, so, they could not leave any DNA before the flood unless it got wiped out. Noah had the DNA from Adam. Now the woman could have nuclear DNa everywhere in their mitochondrial DNA. We found that Eve had only two children that made it through the flood. They one from Cain and the other from Seth. I should send this out, but too much to do.
Here is my center, the DNA is clear; it is only human DNA.
But from a spiritual standpoint, I suggest that we are all DNA from the first and second DNA. We are either all born of God’s DNA or we are born of demi-gods DNA. I want to be totally from God, the real child of God, both sides.
I gave you my best, now you can decide.
With our love,
Genesis and Genetics
Make it a great Christmas.
Dear Brad
The many that got off the arK were the son’s of Noah and their wives. They, the wives, would have many “angelic” nuclear DNA.
I am sorry, I love the Bible just as it is, but I cannot support the Jewish Tradition. This is just me. There are too many problems with it.
Admin,